God’s Army: the Truth about Angels

Picture an angel, right now.

Okay, you saw two wings and a halo, right? Perhaps a white robe? Some glowing light?

Where does that mental picture come from? Maybe from a painting you’ve seen, or possibly a movie. Do you know that Scripture doesn’t always depict an angel as having two wings? We see six-winged and four-winged angels even more than angels with just two (Isaiah 6:2, 6; Ezekiel 1:6; Revelation 4:8). We see angels adorned in white and in light, but truthfully, our perception of angels often comes more from the depictions we’ve seen in art or film than from the word of God.

The Annunciation by Henry Ossawa Tanner 1896

People have always had a fascination with angels. Whether in paintings or on television, artists still offer various and varying interpretations regarding angels – what they look like, and how they behave. Some people even think (or “hope”) we will become angels after we die. To be clear, we will not. We can become saints, but not angels. It is important to state that even more emphatically in this modern culture when people so quickly blur the line between tradition, legend, myth, cliché and amalgamations therein. Many “post-moderns,” too, outright dismiss angels and all else “unseen” as untrustworthy, relegating the spiritual life to little more than that which occurs upon a yoga mat.

To be clear, angels absolutely exist. Our Lord Jesus, Himself, attested to this fact repeatedly throughout the Gospels.

A Catholic, Biblical View of Angels

The name “angel” comes via ecclesiastical Latin, from the Greek word angelos or the Hebrew word malakh, both meaning “messenger.” Angels are pure spirit, in other words, they have no physical bodies. Angels do, however, take on human form sometimes, as clarified by St. Thomas Aquinas in his Summa Theologica, and as you can read more about in the book of Tobit, for instance.

I find it helpful to go back to the Bible as our obvious primary source to get a more accurate picture of what angels are, what they do, and the purposes they serve. Let’s look at just two of the hundreds of passages in which Sacred Scripture attests to the presence – and activity – of angels:

Behold, I send an angel before you, to guard you on the way and to bring you to the place which I have prepared. Give heed to him and hearken to his voice, do not rebel against him, for he will not pardon your transgression; for my name is in him. “But if you hearken attentively to his voice and do all that I say, then I will be an enemy to your enemies and an adversary to your adversaries. “When my angel goes before you … and I blot them out. (Exodus 23:20-23)

Here’s another:

God’s faithfulness is a protecting shield. You shall not fear the terror of the night nor the arrow that flies by day, nor the pestilence that roams in darkness, nor the plague that ravages at noon. For God commands the angels to guard you in all your ways. With their hands they shall support you, lest you strike your foot against a stone. (Psalm 91:4-6, 11-12)

Now, too often we think of angels, who are heavenly bodies, in earthly, bodily terms. They are not human and therefore not bound by human constraints. They exist to do the will of God, to be His messengers, guides, and defenders – of us and of truth. It’s important, though, to remember that they are not to be worshipped (Revelation 19:10; 22:9); they exist for the sole purpose of praising God and carrying out His will.

Angelic Job Descriptions

One of the areas in which people seem supremely “confused” in their theology of angels is in regards to their purpose. Many people are unsure about the differences between the types of angels, the roles they play, and what makes them different.

It was in about the fifth century or so (most believe) that these different “ranks” of angels or “choirs” of heavenly angelic hierarchy was established. The choirs of angels are as follows:

  • Seraphim
  • Cherubim
  • Thrones
  • Dominions
  • Virtues
  • Powers
  • Principalities
  • Archangels
  • Angels

Of the nine choirs each has different functions:

  • Seraphim, Cherubim, and Thrones are dedicated to the contemplation of God.
  • Dominions, Virtues, and Powers govern the universe in its totality.
  • Principalities, archangels, and angels are dedicated as God’s messengers.

(You can read more about them in the Catechism of the Catholic Church, 327-336.)

The Big Three

Obviously, the three most famous angels (besides Satan, the fallen angel) are Sts. Michael, Gabriel, and Raphael. You can read more about each:

St. Michael – Daniel 10: 13, 21; 
Daniel 12:1;
 Jude 1:9;
 Revelation 12:7

St. Gabriel – Daniel 8:16, Daniel 9:21, Luke 1:19, Luke 1:26

St. Raphael – Tobit 5 – 13

It’s interesting to note that names “matter” even to angelic beings without matter. The name “Lucifer,” for instance, means “light bringer” echoing his obvious, prideful desire to be seen in comparison to the true Light, God Himself. Not ironically, however, we see that the name of God’s great warrior “Michael” means, “who is like God?” … a humble and enduring testament to the true source of life and grace.

Additionally, (for those keeping score at home) Gabriel means “God is my strength” and Raphael means “God has healed.” These are but three of the archangels, each one yielding tremendous power, and worthy of an invitation to intercession.

I know that, personally speaking, the St. Michael Prayer has become commonplace within our home and within my daily life. Several times throughout the course of my day, I utter that prayer of protection, bidding St. Michael and his legion of angels to accompany me, or my family, through treacherous situations.

If you don’t know it by heart, commit it to memory:

St. Michael Prayer

St. Michael the Archangel,
defend us in battle.
Be our defense against the wickedness and snares of the Devil.
May God rebuke him, we humbly pray,
and do thou,
O Prince of the heavenly hosts,
by the power of God,
thrust into hell Satan,
and all the evil spirits,
who prowl about the world
seeking the ruin of souls.

God’s Army of Light

As you’ve most likely read or learned in your own ongoing studies, angels have played (and continue to play) significant roles in God’s plan of salvation.

Think about it:

  • Angels came to Sodom and warned Lot (Genesis 19).
  • An angel stopped Abraham before he killed his son, Isaac (Genesis 22:12).
  • An angel “wrestled” with Jacob (Genesis 32).
  • An angel appeared to Moses out of the midst of the burning bush (Exodus 3:2).
  • An angel “passed over” Egypt, allowing for Moses and the Jews to escape (Exodus 12:11-27).
  • An angel called Gideon to form an army (Judges 6).
  • An angel brought miraculous news to the (soon to be) mother of Samson (Judges 13).
  • An angel announced God’s hope and plan to the Virgin Mary (Luke 1:26-38).
  • An angel calmed Joseph’s fears about taking Mary as his wife (Matthew 1:18-25).
  • An angel was at the empty tomb, announcing Jesus’ resurrection (Matthew 28:2-7).
  • Angels were responsible for Peter’s divinely-inspired “jailbreaks” (Acts 5, 12).
  • An angel, St. Michael, and his army are waging war for your soul (Revelation 12:7-9).

These are just to name a very few. What do all of these instances have in common? God used His angels to aid in the rescue of His children. Angels are a primary way in which He is constantly delivering us from evil. Angels proclaim the greatness of God, echoing the good news of salvation in the heavens and throughout the earth. Though “higher” than us spiritually, they serve God in their actions toward us. In fact, God loves us so much that He actually “assigns” a guardian angel to each one of us.

Guardian Angels

The Old Testament attests to guardian angels repeatedly (Genesis 48:16, Psalm 34:7; 91:11; Tobit 12:12-15). These guardian angels enjoy constant and intimate “access” to our Father in Heaven. Our Lord, Jesus, gave us tremendous insight into our guardian angels in Matthew 18:10, saying, “See that you do not despise one of these little ones; for I tell you that in heaven their angels always behold the face of my Father who is in heaven.”

Note that while our guardian angels are fully “present” to us, they are also completely present to and beholding the face of our heavenly Father (Tweet this). Talk about divinely-inspired GPS, always pointing us back to heaven! This is an unfathomable gift, should we choose to humble ourselves and follow God’s promptings.

Our Church even established a feast day (Oct. 2) to serve as a memorial and celebration even in honor of guardian angels. Nightly, I (as I’m sure many of you do) invoke the Guardian Angel prayer with my own kids as we end our bedtime prayers.

As St. Angela Merici said, “Remember that the devil doesn’t sleep, but seeks our ruin in a thousand ways.” Just because we go to sleep, doesn’t mean the devil rests or stops trying to pull us away from Jesus. As a fallen angel, the devil does not necessitate sleep… on the bright side, our guardian angels don’t need sleep either. There could be no better reminder to our next generation of both the gift and need for our guardian angels – for God would not have given them to us if we did not need them.

Guardian Angel Prayer

Oh angel of God, my guardian dear
To whom God’s love commits me here
Ever this night be at my side
To light and to guard, to rule and to guide.

Take a minute now to thank God for the gift of your guardian angel and invite that angel to pray with you. Think of them as a sort of heavenly police force; guardian angels protect and serve. They protect (us) and serve (God), but they don’t eat donuts – just to be clear.

It’s impossible to do justice to all we could cover on angels in just one blog post. The more we become aware of the movement of angels around us, however, the more we’ll believe in God’s active presence in our lives.

For more on angels, see:

  • Genesis 18:1-10, 22:11-12 and 24:20
  • Judges 13:21-25
  • Psalm 29:1, 91:9-12 and 104:4
  • Daniel 6:22 and 9:20-21
  • Matthew 4:6, 11 and 13:41-42
  • Luke 1:5-38 and 15:10
  • Acts 5:17-20 12:11, 15
  • 2 Corinthians 11:14-15
  • Hebrews 1:4-8 and 13:2
  • Jude 6
  • Revelation 1:1, 3:5, 5:11-12, 12:7-12, 18:1, 19:10 and 20:1-3

And be sure to check out the writings of St. Thomas Aquinas, most specifically the Summa Theologica, in which he devotes substantial space to the reality of angels, their abilities, “limitations,” and purpose.

What are your thoughts? Have you ever experienced the presence of your guardian angel, or any other angel, in your life? If so, in what way?


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  • Jason Vincent

    Say outloud with Truth in heart, mind & soul (there is no lying to God) to see if “God is real” (God says BRING IT!!!):

    1) God I need your love and protection. I will never doubt or question.

    2) I reject evil and lies.

    Warrior Angels

    1) Never doubt God’s love and protection.

    2) Must be crazy.

    Warrior Angels

    1) Never doubt God’s love and protection.

    2) Must be crazy.

    Warrior Angel’s Rules -> evil / dem^ns
    1) No rulez

    Note: ^ is supposed to be a triangle and is a blessing of the Holy Trinity on Angels (Warriors) and patterns of 3 in our lives, 2 failure followed by a success are not failures at all. Blessings by God of Father, Son and Holy Spirit throughout our lives as His Angels come to Him upon earthly death -> Flip side.

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  • Jason Vincent

    Say outloud with Truth in heart, mind & soul (there is no lying to God) to see if “God is real” (God says BRING IT!!!):

    1) God I need your love and protection. I will never doubt or question.

    2) I reject evil and lies.

    Warrior Angel Rules

    1) Never doubt God’s love and protection. Doubting is for pussies. No pussies.

    2) Must be crazy.

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  • Jason Vincent

    Uhm. I know this may sound hard to believe but my hands were recently taken over and I was gifted with a Warrior Angel shirt that looks more like a uniform, not in my handwriting and when it was happening about a month ago my Facebook posts were in words I had never heard anyone speak nor did I read in a book and I now have knowledge of Angel types for example. Healing Angels, Praying Angels, Angels for the Sick, Angels for drug addicts, Angels for the Dying, Angels for Prisononers, Humorous Angels, Artistic Angels, Angels of Lost Things, Gaurdian Angels to grow up with a person since birth just to name a few. I know it was ArchArngel Michael that took over my hands and I was gifted with Devine Intervention. I know lucifer is called names like redhornshitforlies & neckbreakcomingsoulbucketdeathbreath by Warrior Angels. Based on the fact that I was given a uniform of my Eternal job as a Warrior Angel and now understand that we are all Angels to God in His eyes that are in training and coming to Him. This is why we have the commandment “Thou shall not kill” especially his most cherished, smallest Angels…children. Also Angels in training found in dark places are very special to God because of the strength and courage it takes to make it ALL the way back to God and will be among the strongest and most fierce Angels if they do. Angels tag team up to reduce pain and suffering caused by evil and that is pleasing to God. Warrior Angels are the punishers, destroyers of evil and dem^ns. Angels in dark places are dangerously close to becoming dem^ns if not turned back to God before death.
    Oh and I did go to Catholic School for 9 years, CCD through High School and went through all of the Catholic sacraments with the exception of marriage before beginning my professional Engineering career.



  • http://divinelyabundant.wordpress.com Moon Fire

    I think that angels are mentioned in other religions as well maybe by different names. I as a non Christian also believe they exist. Informative post

  • Randy Wanat

    “To be clear, angels absolutely exist.”

    If “it says so in this old story” is your evidence, you can’t say they “absolutely exist” and be intellectually honest. You could say you BELIEVE they exist because of that old story, but stating it as fact with nothing but a story to support it is sloppy thinking, and not an honest way to address your religious beliefs.

    To be clear, knowledge isn’t a degree of sincerity of belief. It is a belief that is congruent with reality and demonstrable. Facts aren’t assumptions that you think are super important. Facts are observations of the universe that are not reliant upon cultural, religious, or geographical factors. For example, the speed of light in a vacuum is a fact. The force of gravity at sea level on Earth is a fact. These are observable things that can be demonstrated as true, and one’s culture, religion, or place of origin has no bearing upon them The existence of angels is nothing like that. It is not a fact, and it is not known.

    You should, to salvage some integrity, change this passage of yours to be more accurate. Trying to bolster belief dishonestly should not be necessary if you have thd truth.

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  • y3shuA imMANu3l

    “What you are is God’s gift to you, what you become is your gift to God.”

  • y3shuA imMANu3l

    John 1:12
    12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God
    “To live the life indicated by the Divine Law, means “to receive him.” In proportion as we live such a life do we receive him. As we receive him, we become illuminated, we become conscious of the Soul, we find the Christ. Receiving him refers not to a definite act, but to a prolonged process. In meeting the conditions of this process, we truly become the sons of God. Becoming sons of God refers to prolonged stages of growth rather than to a specific act. It is the privilege of all men to become sons of God. All men have free-will to decide what they desire to become. If they choose the true life and if they live in harmony with the divine standard, they will reach Illumination. Through Illumination, through Soul development, they become the sons of God and become recipients of the power that always attends Illumination.”

  • y3shuA imMANu3l

    “He who lives the life of the Christ is not a parasite. He does not steal, he does not exploit his fellow men, nor misuse the creatures of God, nor does he sell the chastity of the daughters of men, nor make the sons of men imbeciles. He lives to be of service to mankind. He seeks not for the treasures of earth in countless numbers, but obtains only that he may the better help others. All his works are with the idea of doing the will of the Father.”

  • y3shuA imMANu3l

    “For he who loves God will do
    the Will of God.”
    “God’s Will is that the greatest good
    be done.”

  • myhrr

    Re the last post. I forgot to say that I had spilled the water all over the table.

  • myhrr

    The first time i went for radiation therapy after breast cancer, i changed into my hospital gown that was 2 sizes too small, so i used two to wrap around myself. I went over to a nearby table and grabbed a glass of water, which was pre-filled for those who wished to partake of it. I noticed an elderly lady and her twin daughters, whom i presumed were around my age (53 at the time). I was going to put the glass on a nearby coffee table, but they called my name to go for my treatment. One of the twins got up and said, ” let me help you.” I said, thank you so much I surely appreciate it!” I started going down the hall, and turned back to see the lady, down on her hands and knees, staring back at me. She said, “You go ahead and do what you need to do, I will take care of this for you.”

    I was so very thankful and waved a quick goodbye to her, as she cleaned up the mess I had made.

    After my treatment, I rushed back out to thank her, and noticed that there was only the elderly lady sitting there with one of her daughters.

    I walked up to the twin and said to her that I was very grateful that her sister had cleaned up the water I had spilled. She said, “Sister? I don’t have a sister. It’s just been me and my mom here all the time. She’s waiting for her appointment.”

    I thanked her timidly, and turned to go.

    I was sure I had seen that lady’s twin on the floor, cleaning up my mess, assuring methat everything would be all right.

    It didn’t occur to me until I got into my car, that the lady that cleaned up the water for me, was not a lady. She was an angel. Who came to me in one of scariest moments of my life.

    God is great, and this is a true story!

  • Monica Peterson Benninghoff

    I’ve had two near-miss instances on the road in the last 35 years. I credit my Guardian Angel with averting disaster when a wall of water from a passing semi left me unable to see the road and vehicle in front of me and my car started hydroplaning on a 2-lane highway at 55 mph; I credit my Guardian Angel when a car ran a red light and nearly T-boned my old Ford Windstar, but his incredible thrust catapulted my vehicle forward beyond all sense of time or space when I called out Jesus’ name. (If you’ve ever driven an OLD Windstar, you know there is no quick acceleration in an emergency! Braking would’ve left me smack in the middle of a crash.) Each time, the Lord’s name was on my lips, and the response was immediate in that my vehicle moved with such swift speed that it could not have been under my control, as I was in distress and incredulous. Praise God and thank the angels!

    • Randy Wanat

      Do you think, if you had said something else, you would have been killed? Do you think fatality rates are lower in collisions, or collision rates are lower, for people who say what you said versus those who don’t? Are those who are in collisions or even killed despite saying what you said not good enough Christians to merit divine protection?

  • Jose Samilin

    Angels as revealed by Scriptures are spiritual beings created by God to serve Him though created higher than man. I have not seen one in my lifetime yet. They exist before the creation of the earth. They are omnipotent, omniscient and omnipresent, all in limited ways. Good angels were in heaven and also on earth, but not fallen angels which were in the abyss and also roaming on earth. Angels were created simultaneously as a company and are not subject to multiply as do with humans. They are not also subject to death but they are waiting for judgment time for good angels but for fallen angels they are destined to the lakes of fires. When a person dies holy and goes to heaven, its above angels. Good angels is more powerful than fallen angels. Someone could also add on this.

    • Corinne M. Cavanagh

      They are powerful, intelligent, and present, more so than we are, but in limited ways, as you said. “Omni-” means “all” as in all-powerful. (Omnipotent.)
      Good angels are more powerful than fallen ones because they rely on God’s wisdom, power, and love. They are on the “winning team.”

      • Randy Wanat

        Have you ever wondered why, if God is so great, he would command or cause so much suffering and death? Yet, the “losing team” is, in the stories, responsible at any level for only a handful of deaths?

        Or, perhaps, have you ever wondered why a supremely moral and powerful entity would ever require animal sacrifices as a prerequisite to forgiving someone? Why should forgiveness ever hinge upon killing anything? Yes, I know, you’re going to bring up the ultimate sacrifice (we can discuss what constitutes a sacrifice later), but why should ANY killing be a requirement to attain forgiveness? Isn’t it a bit convenient that such sacrifices were common throughout that part of thd world, and it just so happens that, in addition to all the other religions requiring animal sacrifices, yours did, too? What an amazing coincidence, wouldn’t you agree?

        • Kevin

          The satin and all of his other demons (fallen angels) are the author of ALL evil, death, destruction, etc, etc. God has 2 wills. His “Perfect will”, were he actually creates and does things directly. Second, he has a “Permissive Will”, where he allows things to happen. Good or bad. God is in control of all Angels, including all of the fallen angels, which include satin and all of his demons, who are always attempting to do harm, suffering, death, and/or destruction to humans, especially to their souls. God does allow a small % of the bad that they attempt. As far as anyone can guess the mind of God, He allows those few bad things to happen, only when more good will come of it than the original “bad”. Or should I say when there is a possibility of a lot of good to be made of the bad thing. It is my opinion that how much good can come of it, is up to all of us humans. … and yes, there are some”bad” things that have happened in my life, and in history that I can not figure out all of the “Good” that should have come from it, but our human minds are nothing compared to the mind of God. All the best minds in all of human history combined, are still nothing compared to the mind of God.
          May God bless you Randy in your search for answers.

          • Randy Wanat

            1: I assume you mean “Satan.” Satin is a fabric. Satan is a fabrication. A subtle distinction, I admit, but it matters.

            2: Do you believe that your deity intercede to affect decisions, events, or circumstances?

            3: How would you distinguish a hallucination from a divine visitation?

          • Kevin

            1) Yep, (Thanks, I fixed them)
            2) Yes, God has the “ability” to intercede with everything/anything. He does NOT directly change our free will, i.e. making choices/decisions for us.
            3) via standard (careful) discernment.

          • Randy Wanat

            When a Muslim is convinced that Mohammed has visited them, how can the Muslim determine whether or not it was a hallucination, without resorting to special pleading? In other words without asserting its falsehood by insisting upon the exclusive truth of your own religious belief, how could the Muslim tell a hallucination of Mohammed from actual divine visitation?

            And, how EXACTLY would YOU tell an angel from a hallucination? Your answer is nothing more than the religious version of “I would just know/figure it out.” Be specific. What is the methoddology you would use, what investigative means would you bring to bear on such an experience?

            And, finally, you said that your deity is in control of demons that you believe exist to cause humans harm. If I am in control of a thing that is harming you, do you hold the thing responsible, or me, the one actually controlling it so that it causes you harm? You have just declared your deity directly and personally responsible for whatever harm you believe these supposed demons inflict.

          • Kevin

            I do not believe it was “hallucinations” that the muslim experienced. in my opinion, it was obviously a demonic being posing as a Godly being.
            I have never had a “hallucination”, so I have never had to discern one. to my thinking there are only 2 difficult things to discern, not 3. Information received from either A) good angel or B) fallen angel(demon). They are the 2 that are quite difficult to tell the difference for uneducated people.
            I think of a hallucination as being an electrical failure in a brain.
            If I had to discern if a vision, idea, etc… was from an Angel vs Demon posing as an Angel, I would seek professional help. First step is to ask yourself if what you are being urged to do is something that Jesus has said you should do, already documented in the New Testament.
            Write it all down, take good notes, go see a Pastor/Priest. I have not read any, but there are books written on clues you should look for to help you discern.
            I dearly LOVE your last question the best of all. The DEMON is directly and wholly responsible for causing myself or others to suffer. God only “allows” us to suffer when we need it. it should get our attention. God only “allows” it when it does GOOD, (or has the ability to do good) for ether our own soul or the soul of someone else. it is only in my latter years of life that I have learned this. This knowledge has given me GREAT peace!!!
            This man does a GREAT job of answering tough questions. see:

            Why Does God Let Bad Things Happen?, by
            Fr. Mike Schmitz,
            Note: this video is only approx 7 minutes.

          • Randy Wanat

            Remember how I said not to resort to special pleading? But, you went ahead and did it anyway. I assume you don’t understand why special pleadong is problematic. The Muslim would not believe your religion is correct, therefore your special pleading would not be convincing. The Muslim needs to figure out whether it was really Mohammed or a hallucination. How would he do that?

            Also, are priests experts in psychology? No, they are not. When trying to figure out if you are hallucinating, you should consult someone who is an expert on the brain. If you are hearing voices in your head that you are convinced are the voice of God, should you consult a priest? No. And, a priest who cares about his parishioners would tell you the exact same thing.

            And, you said God CONTROLS demons. If I am controlling the car that hits you, is the car responsible for the collision or am I?

          • Kevin

            I do not believe any of this has anything to do with hallucinating, therefore I have not discussed it at all. except for stating my opinion that it is a brain malfunction.
            I am sorry you misread my post(s), I in no way would suggest you go to a Priest for hallucinating. As I already said, they would provide good help for discerning between Angelic and Demonic visions/etc. If I remember correctly, I said:
            “If I had to discern if a vision, idea, etc., was from an Angel vs Demon posing as an Angel, I would…”

            If the Priest thinks what you are describing is neither of the two, they will quickly suggest you seek medical help.
            I am sorry Randy, but a “car” is a very very poor comparison… cars do not have a mind/spirit, and more importantly, an objective of their own. Demons and Angels do. Even attack dogs do not have that. they follow their “control words/commands” just like the mechanical/electrical controls of a machine… like a car.
            Yes, God most certainly completely controls all angels and demons alike. Control is most certainly not the best word tho. Limit is a much better word. Angels are always wanting to help us. Demons are always wanting to harm us. God allows them to act, but only for the better for our SOULS, or the souls of others around us.
            Attached in this post is another source I recently found for you to view. It contains info regarding how God controls angels.
            I have viewed it, it looks good to me, but I have not yet asked my local priest his opinion of Fr. Chad Ripperger yet tho.
            Randy, I am sorry I seem to have offended you, but I am getting the impression you are simply looking for an argument. You continue to misquote my posts, and also accuse me of special pleading.
            Wiki, Special pleading is a form of fallacious argument that involves
            an attempt to cite something as an exception to a generally accepted
            rule, principle, etc. without justifying the exception.
            You also seem to be stuck on “hallucination(s)”.
            That is a brain malfunction that I am no expert on, nor are typical Parish Priests.
            You seem to have misunderstood my post(s) regarding discerning between angelic vs demonic “visions/etc” were including hallucination(s). That is either my error in unclear words/typing, or with your reading/interpretation.
            Angelic influence = a being with a will/objective of its own that is trying to help us. = spiritual
            Demonic influence = a being with a will/objective of its own that is trying to mislead/harm us. = spiritual
            Hallucination(s) = a brain malfunction. = medical
            Sincerly, Kevin

          • Randy Wanat

            Yet, if a priest is going to advise about whether a vision is supernatural or a hallucination, there must be some criteria to distinguish them. You keep saying various people would figure it out, but never explain how.

          • Kevin

            Hmmm… I would bet that no typical parish Priest will attempt to “…advise about whether a vision is supernatural or a hallucination…”
            The typical parish priest is not trained for things like that. They can give very good advise regarding how to tell the difference between if the “Vision” or “Information” that you received was from either Angelic or Demonic source.
            I am sorry, I can not directly answer your question on this because I am not a Priest, or any other form of Clergy. I am just an old Rancher/Farmer who Loves being Christian and to help people any time I have the chance.
            I do not have any “lists” of the criteria that they may use.
            I do remember just a FEW of the MANY things/examples to consider…
            Does the “Vision” urge or cause you to:
            …Lift someone up, help them become better? vs Tear someone down, either physically or mentally. (no matter what they did)
            …Give you Peace at heart, vs ANY FORM of anxiety?
            … Help/heal/convert/Pray-for your foe?, vs Eliminate, kill, or hurt your foe?
            … does the visitor have a tone/demeanor of calmness/peace? vs anger/revenge?
            … does the visitor speak of how to help a person(s) doing wrong? vs do they speak angrily or bitterly about what/how, or the fact that person(s) doing wrong?

            again, these are to help discern between angelic vs demonic “visions/info”, nothing to do with hallucinations…

            and, again, this is only from my poor old memory. I attempted to do a google search for a list for you, but failed…

            I do not have any internet where I am currently staying. I have to take a drive to get it, so I am not able to check these every day.

            May God Bless you Randy, Sincerely, Kevin.

          • Randy Wanat

            If someone is having visions, one must first determine whether it is hallucinations or not. How can that be done? If someone only has a hammer, won’t everything look like a nail?

            Also, is it not noteworthy that as science improves, these miraculous visions decrease in frequency despite greater populations? But, in areas with little development, they are more common. It’s almost as if the ability to investigate has an inverse relationship with supernatural occurrences.

          • Kevin

            Ok, here is a Priest who can/will advise about
            whether a vision is supernatural or hallucination. He actually has that background.
            Here is a video where he talks about Exorcism, Philosophy, Psychology… and does talk about hallucination too.

          • Randy Wanat

            Hidden knowledge implies knowing the limits of someone’s knowledge. Good luck with that.

            Speaking other languages? Neat. Surely he has recordings of this, right? No? No recordings? Just an alleged transcript allegedly taken to an alleged linguist? Oh…what powerful evidence.

            Video recordings of superhuman strength or polymorphism? No? Just claims that it totally happened?

            Levitation is not what we often imagine. In exorcism, it is just pushing one’s body up off theground or furniture. Arching up counts. So, yeah…

            Do you see why this is not compelling in any way to someone not already believing this stuff? Seriously, you need to learn more about what the church actually says about this stuff, and you should start asking yourself, if this stuff is true, where is the evidence? Why is it all claims about phenomena but no video in a time when everybody has a cell phone and every cell phone has a camera, and camcorders are also cheap and readily available? Isn’t it convenient that noneof this stuff EVER gets recorded to video? It’s almost as if supernatural things can only happen when there is zero chance of evidence of its occurrence…almost like there ISN’T any evidence, because it isn’t real.

          • Kevin

            Randy, Thank you, per your suggestion I did do a little searching,

            and found something i was not looking for. so i added a note to my previous post above your reply.

            yes, i understand that you are disbelieving. I do not fault you for that.

            Actually, the entirety of your above reply had nothing to do with why i sent you that link… I sent it to show you I was wrong when I previously said that you would most likely never find a priest to advise you about hallucinations… This one could do it. He has also explained that the likelihood of it being spiritual, or your term of supernatural, to be pretty low. he explains what he looks for, in order to tell the difference.

            I don’t know how to tell you to learn to believe in God or any other heavenly beings.

            for basic belief in God, you could check out Fr. Spitzer.
            here are a few of his talks on video.

          • John Nicholoft

            Belief is a decision. “I call heaven and earth to witness this day, that I have set before you life and death, blessing and cursing. Choose therefore life, that both thou and thy seed may live:” Deuteronomy 30:19

            One can choose not to believe. That choice made, it is very difficult to effect a change by persuasive argument, as there is never sufficient evidence for acceptance. The only hope for that person’s salvation is that somewhere along the way they heed the call of the Holy Spirit.

          • Mark Samoylo

            Oh Randy, you are anxious and worried about many things, but there is need of only one. They have chosen the better part and it will not be taken from them. How unsearchable are His ways.
            “There is the known, knowable, and the ineffable…be careful with certainty.” – anonymous

          • Randy Wanat


          • Mark Samoylo

            Exactly why you should leave the discussion. It’s a bible study site for catholic’s, that is, people who believe that the historical Jesus lived, died and resurrected. Your choice not to believe is just that, your choice. Allow us the respect to discuss spiritual things, that is, things not observable by man as our freedom allows us to.

          • Randy Wanat

            Now, the real issue is, why do you believe?

          • Mark Samoylo

            By all accounts previously stated you wouldn’t believe me if I told you. Your a smart guy. Go google it and research both biblical and secular writings on Jesus. Non-biblical ones would include Josephus, Tacitus, Lucian etc as well as Polycarp, Clement, Ignatious of Antioch etc. May God have mercy on you and give you an honest and open journey. Peace

          • Mark Samoylo

            Just to be clear, my reading about Jesus is not the reason for my faith. That was given to me as a gift.

          • Randy Wanat

            Is there any belief that one would be unable to hold based on faith?

          • Mark Samoylo

            Oh Randy. Why would one ask a question of someone whose “standards of evidence” are in need of improvement as claimed by the one making the inquiry? (Rhetorical question- that means no need to respond here). There are at least 3 reasons based on your commentary, that come to mind anyone of which could stand by itself or be in company with any and all others:1) the spirit of hypocrisy, that is to say, one does not hold themselves to the same standards in which they pontificate. 2) the spirit of narcissism as seen in the eagerness to push one’s own ideas while attempting to disqualify, as if a supreme authority, any other ideas that conflict. (Think cyber bullying, belittling etc) This becomes doubly repulsive when it masquerades as intellectual and/or scientific integrity. Quadruply repulsive when accompanied by #1. 3) the spirit of deception. Just because one reads, says, thinks, or writes something doesn’t make it true. This is awful when it misleads others and sad when we do it to ourselves. All These leaves one spiritually, emotionally, intellectually, and/or even physically impoverished. I hope and pray for those that suffer from these that they would be free. Its sad when one rejoices in these experiences.

            I kindly ask you to leave the discussions and hope your ego allows you to do so. You have nothing to prove to any of us that hasn’t already been proven in every word you’ve written. Eloquent statements no matter how intellectually superior you make them sound, can cover up your obviously supercilious and faithless statements. Only One can cover them.

            Anyone else following along reading randy and i’s discussion I urge you to check for yourselves the truthfulness of any of our comments (if you haven’t figured it out already).

            A few passages just because…

            Luke 11:23-26
            Luke 11:13
            John 3:8
            Acts 2:38
            1 Corinthians 12, 13
            Ephesians 1:13-14
            1 John 2:22
            1 Corinthians 5:5, 11-13
            Romans 1:16-17, 20-22, 25, 28, 30-31

          • Randy Wanat

            Josephus never wrote anything about Jesus. It appears your standards of evidence need to be raised.

          • John Nicholoft

            Josephus, Antiquities 20.9.1 But the younger Ananus who, as we said, received the high priesthood, was of a bold disposition and exceptionally daring; he followed the party of the Sadducees, who are severe in judgment above all the Jews, as we have already shown. As therefore Ananus was of such a disposition, he thought he had now a good opportunity, as Festus was now dead, and Albinus was still on the road; so he assembled a council of judges, and brought before it the brother of Jesus the so-called Christ, whose name was James, together with some others, and having accused them as law-breakers, he delivered them over to be stoned.

          • Randy Wanat

            James is not Jesus. He was writing about James. And, all it refers to is Jesus being called the Christ, not actually BEING the Christ. In other words, what others said about him.

          • TheUsualSmearGame

            What compels you to come on a Catholic site and argue with all of these people? Seems to me you are pissing in the ocean and trying to measure the change in volume.

          • Randy Wanat

            You seem to be implying that they are either incapable of defending their beliefs or holding indefensible beliefs. After all, if they are right and capable, they should be able to convince others with sound arguments based on demonstrable reality. I don’t think they require protection from intellectual challenge. I think more of others than you seem to, and I need not apologize for nor defend that. Thanks!

      • https://disqus.com/home/discussion/piadesolenni/6_things_you_need_to_know_about_the_zika_virus frankferg

        How does St. Michael cast satan and ALL evil spirits (fallen angels ) into hell?
        “by the (omni) power of God!

    • Randy Wanat

      There is no such thing as limited omnipotence, omniscience, or omnipresence. That’s a direct contradiction. Something can’t possibly be omnipotent AND have limited power. Something can’t be everywhere and not everywhere.

      • Jose Samilin

        Good question Randy. But considering the power of God, Angels are not of equal level, so I may say then, that they are omnipotent, omniscient and omnipresent, all in limited ways.

        • Randy Wanat

          No. Omnipotent necessarily means ALL-POWERFUL. Nothing can be all-powerful AND not all-powerful (limits mean not all-powerful).

          Omnipresence means being everywhere. If there are limits to where something is, it cannot be everywhere. So, it can’t be omnipresent AND not omnipresent.

          I suggest you google “law of non-contradiction.” In short, a thing cannot simultaneously be “A” and “not A.” You are making up logically impossible conditions.

          • Jose Samilin

            I agree anything reasonable as I find your point more reasonable. Thanks.

          • Randy Wanat

            It takes an honest person to admit error and correct themselves. Good on you.

          • Jose Samilin

            Thanks again Randy, God bless.