God’s Army: the Truth about Angels

Picture an angel, right now.

Okay, you saw two wings and a halo, right? Perhaps a white robe? Some glowing light?

Where does that mental picture come from? Maybe from a painting you’ve seen, or possibly a movie. Do you know that Scripture doesn’t always depict an angel as having two wings? We see six-winged and four-winged angels even more than angels with just two (Isaiah 6:2, 6; Ezekiel 1:6; Revelation 4:8). We see angels adorned in white and in light, but truthfully, our perception of angels often comes more from the depictions we’ve seen in art or film than from the word of God.

The Annunciation by Henry Ossawa Tanner 1896

People have always had a fascination with angels. Whether in paintings or on television, artists still offer various and varying interpretations regarding angels – what they look like, and how they behave. Some people even think (or “hope”) we will become angels after we die. To be clear, we will not. We can become saints, but not angels. It is important to state that even more emphatically in this modern culture when people so quickly blur the line between tradition, legend, myth, cliché and amalgamations therein. Many “post-moderns,” too, outright dismiss angels and all else “unseen” as untrustworthy, relegating the spiritual life to little more than that which occurs upon a yoga mat.

To be clear, angels absolutely exist. Our Lord Jesus, Himself, attested to this fact repeatedly throughout the Gospels.

A Catholic, Biblical View of Angels

The name “angel” comes via ecclesiastical Latin, from the Greek word angelos or the Hebrew word malakh, both meaning “messenger.” Angels are pure spirit, in other words, they have no physical bodies. Angels do, however, take on human form sometimes, as clarified by St. Thomas Aquinas in his Summa Theologica, and as you can read more about in the book of Tobit, for instance.

I find it helpful to go back to the Bible as our obvious primary source to get a more accurate picture of what angels are, what they do, and the purposes they serve. Let’s look at just two of the hundreds of passages in which Sacred Scripture attests to the presence – and activity – of angels:

Behold, I send an angel before you, to guard you on the way and to bring you to the place which I have prepared. Give heed to him and hearken to his voice, do not rebel against him, for he will not pardon your transgression; for my name is in him. “But if you hearken attentively to his voice and do all that I say, then I will be an enemy to your enemies and an adversary to your adversaries. “When my angel goes before you … and I blot them out. (Exodus 23:20-23)

Here’s another:

God’s faithfulness is a protecting shield. You shall not fear the terror of the night nor the arrow that flies by day, nor the pestilence that roams in darkness, nor the plague that ravages at noon. For God commands the angels to guard you in all your ways. With their hands they shall support you, lest you strike your foot against a stone. (Psalm 91:4-6, 11-12)

Now, too often we think of angels, who are heavenly bodies, in earthly, bodily terms. They are not human and therefore not bound by human constraints. They exist to do the will of God, to be His messengers, guides, and defenders – of us and of truth. It’s important, though, to remember that they are not to be worshipped (Revelation 19:10; 22:9); they exist for the sole purpose of praising God and carrying out His will.

Angelic Job Descriptions

One of the areas in which people seem supremely “confused” in their theology of angels is in regards to their purpose. Many people are unsure about the differences between the types of angels, the roles they play, and what makes them different.

It was in about the fifth century or so (most believe) that these different “ranks” of angels or “choirs” of heavenly angelic hierarchy was established. The choirs of angels are as follows:

  • Seraphim
  • Cherubim
  • Thrones
  • Dominions
  • Virtues
  • Powers
  • Principalities
  • Archangels
  • Angels

Of the nine choirs each has different functions:

  • Seraphim, Cherubim, and Thrones are dedicated to the contemplation of God.
  • Dominions, Virtues, and Powers govern the universe in its totality.
  • Principalities, archangels, and angels are dedicated as God’s messengers.

(You can read more about them in the Catechism of the Catholic Church, 327-336.)

The Big Three

Obviously, the three most famous angels (besides Satan, the fallen angel) are Sts. Michael, Gabriel, and Raphael. You can read more about each:

St. Michael – Daniel 10: 13, 21; 
Daniel 12:1;
 Jude 1:9;
 Revelation 12:7

St. Gabriel – Daniel 8:16, Daniel 9:21, Luke 1:19, Luke 1:26

St. Raphael – Tobit 5 – 13

It’s interesting to note that names “matter” even to angelic beings without matter. The name “Lucifer,” for instance, means “light bringer” echoing his obvious, prideful desire to be seen in comparison to the true Light, God Himself. Not ironically, however, we see that the name of God’s great warrior “Michael” means, “who is like God?” … a humble and enduring testament to the true source of life and grace.

Additionally, (for those keeping score at home) Gabriel means “God is my strength” and Raphael means “God has healed.” These are but three of the archangels, each one yielding tremendous power, and worthy of an invitation to intercession.

I know that, personally speaking, the St. Michael Prayer has become commonplace within our home and within my daily life. Several times throughout the course of my day, I utter that prayer of protection, bidding St. Michael and his legion of angels to accompany me, or my family, through treacherous situations.

If you don’t know it by heart, commit it to memory:

St. Michael Prayer

St. Michael the Archangel,
defend us in battle.
Be our defense against the wickedness and snares of the Devil.
May God rebuke him, we humbly pray,
and do thou,
O Prince of the heavenly hosts,
by the power of God,
thrust into hell Satan,
and all the evil spirits,
who prowl about the world
seeking the ruin of souls.

God’s Army of Light

As you’ve most likely read or learned in your own ongoing studies, angels have played (and continue to play) significant roles in God’s plan of salvation.

Think about it:

  • Angels came to Sodom and warned Lot (Genesis 19).
  • An angel stopped Abraham before he killed his son, Isaac (Genesis 22:12).
  • An angel “wrestled” with Jacob (Genesis 32).
  • An angel appeared to Moses out of the midst of the burning bush (Exodus 3:2).
  • An angel “passed over” Egypt, allowing for Moses and the Jews to escape (Exodus 12:11-27).
  • An angel called Gideon to form an army (Judges 6).
  • An angel brought miraculous news to the (soon to be) mother of Samson (Judges 13).
  • An angel announced God’s hope and plan to the Virgin Mary (Luke 1:26-38).
  • An angel calmed Joseph’s fears about taking Mary as his wife (Matthew 1:18-25).
  • An angel was at the empty tomb, announcing Jesus’ resurrection (Matthew 28:2-7).
  • Angels were responsible for Peter’s divinely-inspired “jailbreaks” (Acts 5, 12).
  • An angel, St. Michael, and his army are waging war for your soul (Revelation 12:7-9).

These are just to name a very few. What do all of these instances have in common? God used His angels to aid in the rescue of His children. Angels are a primary way in which He is constantly delivering us from evil. Angels proclaim the greatness of God, echoing the good news of salvation in the heavens and throughout the earth. Though “higher” than us spiritually, they serve God in their actions toward us. In fact, God loves us so much that He actually “assigns” a guardian angel to each one of us.

Guardian Angels

The Old Testament attests to guardian angels repeatedly (Genesis 48:16, Psalm 34:7; 91:11; Tobit 12:12-15). These guardian angels enjoy constant and intimate “access” to our Father in Heaven. Our Lord, Jesus, gave us tremendous insight into our guardian angels in Matthew 18:10, saying, “See that you do not despise one of these little ones; for I tell you that in heaven their angels always behold the face of my Father who is in heaven.”

Note that while our guardian angels are fully “present” to us, they are also completely present to and beholding the face of our heavenly Father (Tweet this). Talk about divinely-inspired GPS, always pointing us back to heaven! This is an unfathomable gift, should we choose to humble ourselves and follow God’s promptings.

Our Church even established a feast day (Oct. 2) to serve as a memorial and celebration even in honor of guardian angels. Nightly, I (as I’m sure many of you do) invoke the Guardian Angel prayer with my own kids as we end our bedtime prayers.

As St. Angela Merici said, “Remember that the devil doesn’t sleep, but seeks our ruin in a thousand ways.” Just because we go to sleep, doesn’t mean the devil rests or stops trying to pull us away from Jesus. As a fallen angel, the devil does not necessitate sleep… on the bright side, our guardian angels don’t need sleep either. There could be no better reminder to our next generation of both the gift and need for our guardian angels – for God would not have given them to us if we did not need them.

Guardian Angel Prayer

Oh angel of God, my guardian dear
To whom God’s love commits me here
Ever this night be at my side
To light and to guard, to rule and to guide.
Amen

Take a minute now to thank God for the gift of your guardian angel and invite that angel to pray with you. Think of them as a sort of heavenly police force; guardian angels protect and serve. They protect (us) and serve (God), but they don’t eat donuts – just to be clear.

It’s impossible to do justice to all we could cover on angels in just one blog post. The more we become aware of the movement of angels around us, however, the more we’ll believe in God’s active presence in our lives.

For more on angels, see:

  • Genesis 18:1-10, 22:11-12 and 24:20
  • Judges 13:21-25
  • Psalm 29:1, 91:9-12 and 104:4
  • Daniel 6:22 and 9:20-21
  • Matthew 4:6, 11 and 13:41-42
  • Luke 1:5-38 and 15:10
  • Acts 5:17-20 12:11, 15
  • 2 Corinthians 11:14-15
  • Hebrews 1:4-8 and 13:2
  • Jude 6
  • Revelation 1:1, 3:5, 5:11-12, 12:7-12, 18:1, 19:10 and 20:1-3

And be sure to check out the writings of St. Thomas Aquinas, most specifically the Summa Theologica, in which he devotes substantial space to the reality of angels, their abilities, “limitations,” and purpose.

What are your thoughts? Have you ever experienced the presence of your guardian angel, or any other angel, in your life? If so, in what way?

 

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Mark Hart

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  • Sophie Fernandes

    Can we Bodily say IN CHRIST ALONE? That’s what the CROSS is ABOUT HIS LOVING GRACE IS AT THE CROSS !!! LOVING JESUS CHRIST IS THE GIFT WE HAVE RECEIVE THOUGH CHRIST OUR LOVING GOD FOREVER & EVER AMEN HALLELUJAH !!!

  • Georgeta Antonela Bucur

    They exist and many of them reincarnated into human form starting from the 80’s to stop the future disaster coming. I m archangel Raguel and I warn you to stop the deforestations and all the conflicts otherwise you will self-destruct. The government has to release the magnetism technology for the humans to start traveling in the sky. The principles are simple and you have to follow Searl generator project and improve it. People have to stop eating all the animals. Angels reincarnate into animals sometimes and their suffering is covering all the planet with a negative force that feeds all the demons.
    The angels must unite to stop the big challenge that is coming.
    The Internet is a gift for the humanity and for the angels to meet, share information and organize. Use it to regroup and fight back!

    • Emmanuel Cortes

      Reincarnation condemned according to Christian belief. Angels cannot alter thier nature to be human, only assume human form. Whether this comment was just a hoax, I don’t know, but almost everything you just stated does not conform to traditional Christian belief in any way, shape, or form.

  • Nicole Dunndurham

    I just discovered this it’s helped me a lot my grandson Atticus past a month ago and my daughter was crying , questioning asking me questions I could not really answer so I decided to find out the answers that I thought may help ease her some THANK YOU THIS IS REALLY A GREAT THING ..

  • gill

    Excellent article, although as a Christian from the Protestant stream I wouldn’t necessarily pray directly to angels but I would anticipate a prayer to God being responded to by an angel and would co-operate with that angel. I think you’re doing a fantastic work for the Lord within the Catholic Church. Thank you. Many blessings

    • Emmanuel Cortes

      I understand your discomfort with praying directly to the angels, and your reasoning for not doing such is probably very valid. However, I do simply want to clarify that prayer to an angel or human (in Heaven, of course) is really no different than asking a favor from a friend or family member. With that comes to mind, “How can they hear me, if only God is omnipresent, and for them to hear me would require them to be omnipresent?” Well, in Matthew 28:20, we see Jesus says, “I am with you always, until the end of the age.” We normally interpret that as saying that our Lord will always be willing to help us and be there for us, however we can also see that He may be hinting at his allowing our being to be present wherever HE goes, as well, and that privelidge could very well be given to angels as well. Now, let’s assume that is false; even if a “limited omnipresence” does not exist, the human soul is also not bound by physical limits, therefore an angel (or demon, in fact), having at his disposal divine powers, can hear or at least sense when someone is calling out to him, and instantly travel to the physical location of the person in need. Believe it or not, spiritual being (angelic or human) can travel at the speed of thought. That is technically faster than even the speed of light, as light is a tangible, “physical” element that does take time to travel distances. Thought, on the other hand, is controlled by the soul rather than the brain, therefore the form of transportation utilized by angels can be seen almost as some sort of “teleportation”.

      A very lengthy explaination, I admit, but I hope this clarifies to some degree as to why Roman Catholics pray directly to angels on occasions, rather than directly to God. If you are not really convinced, that is fine; your form of prayer is absolutely acceptible as well. The real goal here is to avoid idolatry.

  • el-sig

    Beautiful!

  • Jason Vincent

    Say outloud with Truth in heart, mind & soul (there is no lying to God) to see if “God is real” (God says BRING IT!!!):

    1) God I need your love and protection. I will never doubt or question.

    2) I reject evil and lies.

    Warrior Angels
    —————————————————–

    1) Never doubt God’s love and protection.

    2) Must be crazy.

    Warrior Angels
    —————————————————–

    1) Never doubt God’s love and protection.

    2) Must be crazy.

    Warrior Angel’s Rules -> evil / dem^ns
    —————————————————–
    1) No rulez

    Note: ^ is supposed to be a triangle and is a blessing of the Holy Trinity on Angels (Warriors) and patterns of 3 in our lives, 2 failure followed by a success are not failures at all. Blessings by God of Father, Son and Holy Spirit throughout our lives as His Angels come to Him upon earthly death -> Flip side.

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  • Jason Vincent

    Say outloud with Truth in heart, mind & soul (there is no lying to God) to see if “God is real” (God says BRING IT!!!):

    1) God I need your love and protection. I will never doubt or question.

    2) I reject evil and lies.

    Warrior Angel Rules
    —————————————————–

    1) Never doubt God’s love and protection. Doubting is for pussies. No pussies.

    2) Must be crazy.

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  • Jason Vincent

    Uhm. I know this may sound hard to believe but my hands were recently taken over and I was gifted with a Warrior Angel shirt that looks more like a uniform, not in my handwriting and when it was happening about a month ago my Facebook posts were in words I had never heard anyone speak nor did I read in a book and I now have knowledge of Angel types for example. Healing Angels, Praying Angels, Angels for the Sick, Angels for drug addicts, Angels for the Dying, Angels for Prisononers, Humorous Angels, Artistic Angels, Angels of Lost Things, Gaurdian Angels to grow up with a person since birth just to name a few. I know it was ArchArngel Michael that took over my hands and I was gifted with Devine Intervention. I know lucifer is called names like redhornshitforlies & neckbreakcomingsoulbucketdeathbreath by Warrior Angels. Based on the fact that I was given a uniform of my Eternal job as a Warrior Angel and now understand that we are all Angels to God in His eyes that are in training and coming to Him. This is why we have the commandment “Thou shall not kill” especially his most cherished, smallest Angels…children. Also Angels in training found in dark places are very special to God because of the strength and courage it takes to make it ALL the way back to God and will be among the strongest and most fierce Angels if they do. Angels tag team up to reduce pain and suffering caused by evil and that is pleasing to God. Warrior Angels are the punishers, destroyers of evil and dem^ns. Angels in dark places are dangerously close to becoming dem^ns if not turned back to God before death.
    Oh and I did go to Catholic School for 9 years, CCD through High School and went through all of the Catholic sacraments with the exception of marriage before beginning my professional Engineering career.

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    • Emmanuel Cortes

      It does sound very sketchy. I have to point out that there are no angels in training left, the last angel to finish his training was roughly 13.7 billion years ago, very possibly more. It’s impossible for humans to become angels, as we are a completely different race of beings from them, and God never alters an individual’s office of existence. The name “angel” is an office, or title, based on one’s spiritual species, much like our office is that of “Man” or “Human”. I’m sorry, your experience described here does not conform to the current reality. I must dismiss your story as false; I don’t dare determine whether your experience was actually the act of a demon or a pyschological condition that you are unaware of, but the explanation you provide for these events definitely do not seem possible through angelic means.

  • I think that angels are mentioned in other religions as well maybe by different names. I as a non Christian also believe they exist. Informative post
    Thanks

  • Randy Wanat

    “To be clear, angels absolutely exist.”

    If “it says so in this old story” is your evidence, you can’t say they “absolutely exist” and be intellectually honest. You could say you BELIEVE they exist because of that old story, but stating it as fact with nothing but a story to support it is sloppy thinking, and not an honest way to address your religious beliefs.

    To be clear, knowledge isn’t a degree of sincerity of belief. It is a belief that is congruent with reality and demonstrable. Facts aren’t assumptions that you think are super important. Facts are observations of the universe that are not reliant upon cultural, religious, or geographical factors. For example, the speed of light in a vacuum is a fact. The force of gravity at sea level on Earth is a fact. These are observable things that can be demonstrated as true, and one’s culture, religion, or place of origin has no bearing upon them The existence of angels is nothing like that. It is not a fact, and it is not known.

    You should, to salvage some integrity, change this passage of yours to be more accurate. Trying to bolster belief dishonestly should not be necessary if you have thd truth.

    • Emmanuel Cortes

      Well, your reasoning here would probably work just fine under secular circumstances, however I believe that you should keep in mind that because this is a religious article, specifically a Roman Catholic Christian article, any quote/excerpt taken from Christian Scriptures (aka the Holy Bible) will be taken as absolute, unquestionable FACT. For that reason, our brother Mark Hart states that “angels absolutely exist”, because in the Christian community Holy Scriptures are just as much a reliable, authoritative source as an article from Harvard University professors about the human anatomy.

      To put this into context, the same situation occurs when you attempt to convince a Creationist (evolution-rejecting) Christian of the existence of intelligent life forms on other planets using sources from leading astronomists and astrobiologists. Sure, the information might be 100% credible, but because a Creationist has no visible (or rather, tangible) proof of such a thing, they will refuse to believe that any life forms, much less intelligent life forms, exist outside of our solar system. Even if YOU consider those scietists authoritative sources, They might not; even if WE consider the Bible as a valid historical/theological source, YOU might not.

      • Emmanuel Cortes

        So, technically speaking, Mark is in fact making a VERY accurate statement, based on a 2,000 year-old theological document (and depending on which book of the Bible we are discussing, a credible historical document as well).

        • Randy Wanat

          Accuracy is based on consistency with reality. The Bible, neither in whole nor in part, is demknstrably factually accurate. The claim itself is not evidence of the claim’s veracity. Circular reasoning is not a valid basis for a rational belief.

          • Clueless Gearhead

            Oh, trust me on this one, even atheist scholars and historians have shown with near absolute certainty that CERTAIN (not all) events described in the Bible are historically accurate. I am not asserting the theological aspects of it, such as “God said this”, and “God said that”, but rather things such as population counts of the Israelite people in the book of Numbers, or the numerous conquests of Israel by foreign civilizations (such as the Assyrians, Macedonians/Greeks, or Romans). Although the majority of the Scriptures are perhaps “inaccurate” by secular standards, there are still many aspects of Scripture that are in fact consistent with reality. Circular reasoning is not relevant here. Simply look at through the eyes of your opponent; remember Herodotus’ emphasis on studying research through both sides of the story, not just your own personal upbringing. In this case, look at this situation from both the secular mindset and the Catholic mindset. If you wish, do so from the Buddhist or Muslim mindset as well. The point is, our brother Mark made a valid statement based upon an alledgedly credible source, assuming the Bible is in fact credible in its entirety.

          • Clueless Gearhead

            Side note: Please forgive the change in profile name. I was forced to post as a Google user rather than a guest. It is still I, Emmanuel Cortes, though.

          • Emmanuel Cortes

            UPDATE: Profile name corrected. Ignore previous comment about change in profile name.

      • Randy Wanat

        Well, that’s simply not true. You assert it, but not every Christian, nor every Roman Catholic, shares that opinion about the historicity of the Scriptures. In fact, I’ll bet that most, if dealing with the issues without peer pressure involved, would say they little, if any, of it as factual.

        • Clueless Gearhead

          Well then, we can’t just make the assumption that they are truly Roman Catholic or even Christian simply because they call themselves such, correct? For future reference, Randy, anyone who dissents even in the slightest from the Roman Catholic Church on any matters of morals and/or Faith (aka Theology) is not considered to actually be Catholic or possibly even Christian. My assertions are directly influenced by my spirtiual director, who happens to be an experienced theologian, and my pastor has 26 years of experience as an apologist, philosopher, and scholar. I’ve come to read and watch many other experienced and educated religious individuals. I make my assertions based on the educated opinions of my elders, not pull answers out of my backside.

          • Randy Wanat

            Ah, yes…no true Scotsman.

          • Emmanuel Cortes

            I’m sorry, could you clarify what you meant by that statement? I’m unsure of how a Sctosman is relevant here, I might be trying to interpret this too literally.

          • Emmanuel Cortes

            Never mind, I see where you’re coming from with this. It does not surprise me that you would claim another “logical fallacy” on my part. May I ask, though, why the “no true Scotsman” fallacy applies here? How exactly could I be lacking evidence? I know I did not provide you with any evidence, I simply wish to know how you can be sure I possess insufficient evidence to support my claim if you do not really know me personally nor how exactly I made such a conclusion? You do not appear to be familiar with the Roman Catholic faith, judging from your other posts on this thread, even if you think you are. Therefore, you really can’t make assumptions that I have in sufficient evidence to support my claim. Correct me if I’m wrong, but I am beginning to believe that you are resorting to these claims of logical fallacies simply because you have no other useful answers to my statements.

          • Randy Wanat

            Look it up. Google still works.

  • y3shuA imMANu3l

    THE FATHER

  • y3shuA imMANu3l

    “What you are is God’s gift to you, what you become is your gift to God.”

  • y3shuA imMANu3l

    John 1:12
    12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God
    _______________________________________
    “To live the life indicated by the Divine Law, means “to receive him.” In proportion as we live such a life do we receive him. As we receive him, we become illuminated, we become conscious of the Soul, we find the Christ. Receiving him refers not to a definite act, but to a prolonged process. In meeting the conditions of this process, we truly become the sons of God. Becoming sons of God refers to prolonged stages of growth rather than to a specific act. It is the privilege of all men to become sons of God. All men have free-will to decide what they desire to become. If they choose the true life and if they live in harmony with the divine standard, they will reach Illumination. Through Illumination, through Soul development, they become the sons of God and become recipients of the power that always attends Illumination.”

  • y3shuA imMANu3l

    “He who lives the life of the Christ is not a parasite. He does not steal, he does not exploit his fellow men, nor misuse the creatures of God, nor does he sell the chastity of the daughters of men, nor make the sons of men imbeciles. He lives to be of service to mankind. He seeks not for the treasures of earth in countless numbers, but obtains only that he may the better help others. All his works are with the idea of doing the will of the Father.”

  • y3shuA imMANu3l

    “For he who loves God will do
    the Will of God.”
    “God’s Will is that the greatest good
    be done.”

  • myhrr

    Re the last post. I forgot to say that I had spilled the water all over the table.

  • myhrr

    The first time i went for radiation therapy after breast cancer, i changed into my hospital gown that was 2 sizes too small, so i used two to wrap around myself. I went over to a nearby table and grabbed a glass of water, which was pre-filled for those who wished to partake of it. I noticed an elderly lady and her twin daughters, whom i presumed were around my age (53 at the time). I was going to put the glass on a nearby coffee table, but they called my name to go for my treatment. One of the twins got up and said, ” let me help you.” I said, thank you so much I surely appreciate it!” I started going down the hall, and turned back to see the lady, down on her hands and knees, staring back at me. She said, “You go ahead and do what you need to do, I will take care of this for you.”

    I was so very thankful and waved a quick goodbye to her, as she cleaned up the mess I had made.

    After my treatment, I rushed back out to thank her, and noticed that there was only the elderly lady sitting there with one of her daughters.

    I walked up to the twin and said to her that I was very grateful that her sister had cleaned up the water I had spilled. She said, “Sister? I don’t have a sister. It’s just been me and my mom here all the time. She’s waiting for her appointment.”

    I thanked her timidly, and turned to go.

    I was sure I had seen that lady’s twin on the floor, cleaning up my mess, assuring methat everything would be all right.

    It didn’t occur to me until I got into my car, that the lady that cleaned up the water for me, was not a lady. She was an angel. Who came to me in one of scariest moments of my life.

    God is great, and this is a true story!

  • Monica Peterson Benninghoff

    I’ve had two near-miss instances on the road in the last 35 years. I credit my Guardian Angel with averting disaster when a wall of water from a passing semi left me unable to see the road and vehicle in front of me and my car started hydroplaning on a 2-lane highway at 55 mph; I credit my Guardian Angel when a car ran a red light and nearly T-boned my old Ford Windstar, but his incredible thrust catapulted my vehicle forward beyond all sense of time or space when I called out Jesus’ name. (If you’ve ever driven an OLD Windstar, you know there is no quick acceleration in an emergency! Braking would’ve left me smack in the middle of a crash.) Each time, the Lord’s name was on my lips, and the response was immediate in that my vehicle moved with such swift speed that it could not have been under my control, as I was in distress and incredulous. Praise God and thank the angels!

    • Randy Wanat

      Do you think, if you had said something else, you would have been killed? Do you think fatality rates are lower in collisions, or collision rates are lower, for people who say what you said versus those who don’t? Are those who are in collisions or even killed despite saying what you said not good enough Christians to merit divine protection?

      • Clueless Gearhead

        Eh, the problem is that even if the entire human race suddenly decided to “follow the rules” of the Bible, fatality rates could continue the same, for two resons:
        1) At this point in human history, the world has been infected with so much sin that we would have to wait possibly several millennia for the consequences of those sinful doings do run their course before they died down, and even then->
        2) Because Demons and the damned souls would still be in existence, the inhabitants of Hell would still be wrecking havoc upon the universe (yes, it is in fact Demons who are responsible, not God, for earthquakes and volcanic eruptions and cosmic explosions and whatnot which are their vain attempt to destroy God’s Creation), especially the humans still obedient to God. It would require either the damned to be eternally bound or put out of existence for suffering to be completely eliminated from the globe.
        My point? Christians may be inclined to suffer less than nonbelievers, however that is not neccessarily true all the time, as you obviously have already noticed. It’s all about what God does or doesn’t permit to occur.

        • Randy Wanat

          Would you permit children to be raped if it was in your power to prevent it?

          • Emmanuel Cortes

            If it was within my power, I personally would. But if I were an angel, it would not neccessarily be in my power.

          • Randy Wanat

            So, no matter how horrible an act may be, no matter how atrocious, you assume it must be for a good reason. Why would you assume that this deity has good intentions in any capacity? What part of genocidal, blood-thirsty, vindictive, petty, emotionally insecure, misogynistic, xenophobic, and megalomaniacal indicates any kind of well-meaning for anybody other than himself?

  • Jose Samilin

    Angels as revealed by Scriptures are spiritual beings created by God to serve Him though created higher than man. I have not seen one in my lifetime yet. They exist before the creation of the earth. They are omnipotent, omniscient and omnipresent, all in limited ways. Good angels were in heaven and also on earth, but not fallen angels which were in the abyss and also roaming on earth. Angels were created simultaneously as a company and are not subject to multiply as do with humans. They are not also subject to death but they are waiting for judgment time for good angels but for fallen angels they are destined to the lakes of fires. When a person dies holy and goes to heaven, its above angels. Good angels is more powerful than fallen angels. Someone could also add on this.

    • Corinne M. Cavanagh

      They are powerful, intelligent, and present, more so than we are, but in limited ways, as you said. “Omni-” means “all” as in all-powerful. (Omnipotent.)
      Good angels are more powerful than fallen ones because they rely on God’s wisdom, power, and love. They are on the “winning team.”

      • Randy Wanat

        Have you ever wondered why, if God is so great, he would command or cause so much suffering and death? Yet, the “losing team” is, in the stories, responsible at any level for only a handful of deaths?

        Or, perhaps, have you ever wondered why a supremely moral and powerful entity would ever require animal sacrifices as a prerequisite to forgiving someone? Why should forgiveness ever hinge upon killing anything? Yes, I know, you’re going to bring up the ultimate sacrifice (we can discuss what constitutes a sacrifice later), but why should ANY killing be a requirement to attain forgiveness? Isn’t it a bit convenient that such sacrifices were common throughout that part of thd world, and it just so happens that, in addition to all the other religions requiring animal sacrifices, yours did, too? What an amazing coincidence, wouldn’t you agree?

        • Kevin

          The satin and all of his other demons (fallen angels) are the author of ALL evil, death, destruction, etc, etc. God has 2 wills. His “Perfect will”, were he actually creates and does things directly. Second, he has a “Permissive Will”, where he allows things to happen. Good or bad. God is in control of all Angels, including all of the fallen angels, which include satin and all of his demons, who are always attempting to do harm, suffering, death, and/or destruction to humans, especially to their souls. God does allow a small % of the bad that they attempt. As far as anyone can guess the mind of God, He allows those few bad things to happen, only when more good will come of it than the original “bad”. Or should I say when there is a possibility of a lot of good to be made of the bad thing. It is my opinion that how much good can come of it, is up to all of us humans. … and yes, there are some”bad” things that have happened in my life, and in history that I can not figure out all of the “Good” that should have come from it, but our human minds are nothing compared to the mind of God. All the best minds in all of human history combined, are still nothing compared to the mind of God.
          May God bless you Randy in your search for answers.

          • Randy Wanat

            1: I assume you mean “Satan.” Satin is a fabric. Satan is a fabrication. A subtle distinction, I admit, but it matters.

            2: Do you believe that your deity intercede to affect decisions, events, or circumstances?

            3: How would you distinguish a hallucination from a divine visitation?

          • Kevin

            1) Yep, (Thanks, I fixed them)
            2) Yes, God has the “ability” to intercede with everything/anything. He does NOT directly change our free will, i.e. making choices/decisions for us.
            3) via standard (careful) discernment.

          • Randy Wanat

            When a Muslim is convinced that Mohammed has visited them, how can the Muslim determine whether or not it was a hallucination, without resorting to special pleading? In other words without asserting its falsehood by insisting upon the exclusive truth of your own religious belief, how could the Muslim tell a hallucination of Mohammed from actual divine visitation?

            And, how EXACTLY would YOU tell an angel from a hallucination? Your answer is nothing more than the religious version of “I would just know/figure it out.” Be specific. What is the methoddology you would use, what investigative means would you bring to bear on such an experience?

            And, finally, you said that your deity is in control of demons that you believe exist to cause humans harm. If I am in control of a thing that is harming you, do you hold the thing responsible, or me, the one actually controlling it so that it causes you harm? You have just declared your deity directly and personally responsible for whatever harm you believe these supposed demons inflict.

          • Kevin

            I do not believe it was “hallucinations” that the muslim experienced. in my opinion, it was obviously a demonic being posing as a Godly being.
            I have never had a “hallucination”, so I have never had to discern one. to my thinking there are only 2 difficult things to discern, not 3. Information received from either A) good angel or B) fallen angel(demon). They are the 2 that are quite difficult to tell the difference for uneducated people.
            I think of a hallucination as being an electrical failure in a brain.
            If I had to discern if a vision, idea, etc… was from an Angel vs Demon posing as an Angel, I would seek professional help. First step is to ask yourself if what you are being urged to do is something that Jesus has said you should do, already documented in the New Testament.
            Write it all down, take good notes, go see a Pastor/Priest. I have not read any, but there are books written on clues you should look for to help you discern.
            I dearly LOVE your last question the best of all. The DEMON is directly and wholly responsible for causing myself or others to suffer. God only “allows” us to suffer when we need it. it should get our attention. God only “allows” it when it does GOOD, (or has the ability to do good) for ether our own soul or the soul of someone else. it is only in my latter years of life that I have learned this. This knowledge has given me GREAT peace!!!
            This man does a GREAT job of answering tough questions. see:

            Why Does God Let Bad Things Happen?, by
            Fr. Mike Schmitz,
            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0NOTU1g0Z8w
            Note: this video is only approx 7 minutes.

          • Randy Wanat

            Remember how I said not to resort to special pleading? But, you went ahead and did it anyway. I assume you don’t understand why special pleadong is problematic. The Muslim would not believe your religion is correct, therefore your special pleading would not be convincing. The Muslim needs to figure out whether it was really Mohammed or a hallucination. How would he do that?

            Also, are priests experts in psychology? No, they are not. When trying to figure out if you are hallucinating, you should consult someone who is an expert on the brain. If you are hearing voices in your head that you are convinced are the voice of God, should you consult a priest? No. And, a priest who cares about his parishioners would tell you the exact same thing.

            And, you said God CONTROLS demons. If I am controlling the car that hits you, is the car responsible for the collision or am I?

          • Kevin

            I do not believe any of this has anything to do with hallucinating, therefore I have not discussed it at all. except for stating my opinion that it is a brain malfunction.
            I am sorry you misread my post(s), I in no way would suggest you go to a Priest for hallucinating. As I already said, they would provide good help for discerning between Angelic and Demonic visions/etc. If I remember correctly, I said:
            “If I had to discern if a vision, idea, etc., was from an Angel vs Demon posing as an Angel, I would…”

            If the Priest thinks what you are describing is neither of the two, they will quickly suggest you seek medical help.
            I am sorry Randy, but a “car” is a very very poor comparison… cars do not have a mind/spirit, and more importantly, an objective of their own. Demons and Angels do. Even attack dogs do not have that. they follow their “control words/commands” just like the mechanical/electrical controls of a machine… like a car.
            Yes, God most certainly completely controls all angels and demons alike. Control is most certainly not the best word tho. Limit is a much better word. Angels are always wanting to help us. Demons are always wanting to harm us. God allows them to act, but only for the better for our SOULS, or the souls of others around us.
            Attached in this post is another source I recently found for you to view. It contains info regarding how God controls angels.
            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HROH926Ln-A
            I have viewed it, it looks good to me, but I have not yet asked my local priest his opinion of Fr. Chad Ripperger yet tho.
            Randy, I am sorry I seem to have offended you, but I am getting the impression you are simply looking for an argument. You continue to misquote my posts, and also accuse me of special pleading.
            Wiki, Special pleading is a form of fallacious argument that involves
            an attempt to cite something as an exception to a generally accepted
            rule, principle, etc. without justifying the exception.
            You also seem to be stuck on “hallucination(s)”.
            That is a brain malfunction that I am no expert on, nor are typical Parish Priests.
            You seem to have misunderstood my post(s) regarding discerning between angelic vs demonic “visions/etc” were including hallucination(s). That is either my error in unclear words/typing, or with your reading/interpretation.
            Angelic influence = a being with a will/objective of its own that is trying to help us. = spiritual
            Demonic influence = a being with a will/objective of its own that is trying to mislead/harm us. = spiritual
            Hallucination(s) = a brain malfunction. = medical
            Sincerly, Kevin

          • Randy Wanat

            Yet, if a priest is going to advise about whether a vision is supernatural or a hallucination, there must be some criteria to distinguish them. You keep saying various people would figure it out, but never explain how.

          • Kevin

            Hmmm… I would bet that no typical parish Priest will attempt to “…advise about whether a vision is supernatural or a hallucination…”
            The typical parish priest is not trained for things like that. They can give very good advise regarding how to tell the difference between if the “Vision” or “Information” that you received was from either Angelic or Demonic source.
            I am sorry, I can not directly answer your question on this because I am not a Priest, or any other form of Clergy. I am just an old Rancher/Farmer who Loves being Christian and to help people any time I have the chance.
            I do not have any “lists” of the criteria that they may use.
            I do remember just a FEW of the MANY things/examples to consider…
            Does the “Vision” urge or cause you to:
            …Lift someone up, help them become better? vs Tear someone down, either physically or mentally. (no matter what they did)
            …Give you Peace at heart, vs ANY FORM of anxiety?
            … Help/heal/convert/Pray-for your foe?, vs Eliminate, kill, or hurt your foe?
            … does the visitor have a tone/demeanor of calmness/peace? vs anger/revenge?
            … does the visitor speak of how to help a person(s) doing wrong? vs do they speak angrily or bitterly about what/how, or the fact that person(s) doing wrong?

            again, these are to help discern between angelic vs demonic “visions/info”, nothing to do with hallucinations…

            and, again, this is only from my poor old memory. I attempted to do a google search for a list for you, but failed…

            I do not have any internet where I am currently staying. I have to take a drive to get it, so I am not able to check these every day.

            May God Bless you Randy, Sincerely, Kevin.

          • Randy Wanat

            If someone is having visions, one must first determine whether it is hallucinations or not. How can that be done? If someone only has a hammer, won’t everything look like a nail?

            Also, is it not noteworthy that as science improves, these miraculous visions decrease in frequency despite greater populations? But, in areas with little development, they are more common. It’s almost as if the ability to investigate has an inverse relationship with supernatural occurrences.

          • Michelle Jones

            I believe in God, Angels, and Demons because I have experienced things I can’t explain. I as a young Lady in my twenties experienced the Holy Spirit come over me in church when I went up as they were praying for us, and placing their hands on our heads. This was a Church of God. I felt an incredible sensation come over me, and all I could do was cry tears of joy. I have never again experienced anything like that. Later in life when I was married to my second Husband he had a health condition that caused two of his fingers to get gaingreen and have to be removed. This caused a lot of pain and he started taking a lot of pain medicine unfortuniatly from all of this he became depressed and started using drugs which caused our marriage to fall apart. In the mist of all of this we were fighting all of the time it was horrible anyway a Demon came into our home from his actions I’m sure. I was held down by an unseen force, choked. I could not move, speak or anything I started praying and it released me. I did see this Demon and, I was never on drugs. He was a dark figure very tall, hallow eyes as if nothing was there. This went on for awhile. I was scratched,I had evp’s of him telling me to get out of my house. He wanted to behead me. That I wasn’t going to need any sleep. When I asked his name he said Lucifer. I ended up cleansing my house with salt water and telling him to leave my home in the name of Jesus Christ it all stopped after that. I left my Husband and that home and have never been happier. So yes I believe. If you ever experience something like this you will become a believer as well.

          • Randy Wanat

            Is it not possible that you had a seizure of some sort? You have a brain. Brains can misfire. This can cause seizures resulting in, but not limited to, visual and auditory hallucination, loss of fine and gross motor control, and difficulty breathing.

            If your experience was caused by a brain condition, would that change your beliefs?

            And, have you ever consulted a doctor about this episode? It could be a form of epilepsy, infection, or brain tumor. I STRONGLY recommend you consult a physician. The longer you attribute those symptoms to demons, the less time you nay have to get a potentially lethal condition diagnosed and treated. Please, go see a doctor. Seriously. I hope your fellow Catholics here will join me in my recommendation.

          • Kevin

            Ok, here is a Priest who can/will advise about
            whether a vision is supernatural or hallucination. He actually has that background.
            Here is a video where he talks about Exorcism, Philosophy, Psychology… and does talk about hallucination too.
            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XI0J7ZQrt6I

          • Randy Wanat

            Hidden knowledge implies knowing the limits of someone’s knowledge. Good luck with that.

            Speaking other languages? Neat. Surely he has recordings of this, right? No? No recordings? Just an alleged transcript allegedly taken to an alleged linguist? Oh…what powerful evidence.

            Video recordings of superhuman strength or polymorphism? No? Just claims that it totally happened?

            Levitation is not what we often imagine. In exorcism, it is just pushing one’s body up off theground or furniture. Arching up counts. So, yeah…

            Do you see why this is not compelling in any way to someone not already believing this stuff? Seriously, you need to learn more about what the church actually says about this stuff, and you should start asking yourself, if this stuff is true, where is the evidence? Why is it all claims about phenomena but no video in a time when everybody has a cell phone and every cell phone has a camera, and camcorders are also cheap and readily available? Isn’t it convenient that noneof this stuff EVER gets recorded to video? It’s almost as if supernatural things can only happen when there is zero chance of evidence of its occurrence…almost like there ISN’T any evidence, because it isn’t real.

          • Kevin

            Randy, Thank you, per your suggestion I did do a little searching,

            and found something i was not looking for. so i added a note to my previous post above your reply.

            yes, i understand that you are disbelieving. I do not fault you for that.

            Actually, the entirety of your above reply had nothing to do with why i sent you that link… I sent it to show you I was wrong when I previously said that you would most likely never find a priest to advise you about hallucinations… This one could do it. He has also explained that the likelihood of it being spiritual, or your term of supernatural, to be pretty low. he explains what he looks for, in order to tell the difference.

            I don’t know how to tell you to learn to believe in God or any other heavenly beings.

            for basic belief in God, you could check out Fr. Spitzer.
            http://net-abbey.org/aboutgod.htm
            here are a few of his talks on video.
            http://www.magisreasonfaith.org/spitzer_videos.html
            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fXKnqe01mhM

          • John Nicholoft

            Belief is a decision. “I call heaven and earth to witness this day, that I have set before you life and death, blessing and cursing. Choose therefore life, that both thou and thy seed may live:” Deuteronomy 30:19

            One can choose not to believe. That choice made, it is very difficult to effect a change by persuasive argument, as there is never sufficient evidence for acceptance. The only hope for that person’s salvation is that somewhere along the way they heed the call of the Holy Spirit.

          • Mark Samoylo

            Oh Randy, you are anxious and worried about many things, but there is need of only one. They have chosen the better part and it will not be taken from them. How unsearchable are His ways.
            “There is the known, knowable, and the ineffable…be careful with certainty.” – anonymous

          • Randy Wanat

            Unintelligible.

          • Mark Samoylo

            Exactly why you should leave the discussion. It’s a bible study site for catholic’s, that is, people who believe that the historical Jesus lived, died and resurrected. Your choice not to believe is just that, your choice. Allow us the respect to discuss spiritual things, that is, things not observable by man as our freedom allows us to.

          • Randy Wanat

            Now, the real issue is, why do you believe?

          • Mark Samoylo

            By all accounts previously stated you wouldn’t believe me if I told you. Your a smart guy. Go google it and research both biblical and secular writings on Jesus. Non-biblical ones would include Josephus, Tacitus, Lucian etc as well as Polycarp, Clement, Ignatious of Antioch etc. May God have mercy on you and give you an honest and open journey. Peace

          • Mark Samoylo

            Just to be clear, my reading about Jesus is not the reason for my faith. That was given to me as a gift.

          • Randy Wanat

            Is there any belief that one would be unable to hold based on faith?

          • Mark Samoylo

            Oh Randy. Why would one ask a question of someone whose “standards of evidence” are in need of improvement as claimed by the one making the inquiry? (Rhetorical question- that means no need to respond here). There are at least 3 reasons based on your commentary, that come to mind anyone of which could stand by itself or be in company with any and all others:1) the spirit of hypocrisy, that is to say, one does not hold themselves to the same standards in which they pontificate. 2) the spirit of narcissism as seen in the eagerness to push one’s own ideas while attempting to disqualify, as if a supreme authority, any other ideas that conflict. (Think cyber bullying, belittling etc) This becomes doubly repulsive when it masquerades as intellectual and/or scientific integrity. Quadruply repulsive when accompanied by #1. 3) the spirit of deception. Just because one reads, says, thinks, or writes something doesn’t make it true. This is awful when it misleads others and sad when we do it to ourselves. All These leaves one spiritually, emotionally, intellectually, and/or even physically impoverished. I hope and pray for those that suffer from these that they would be free. Its sad when one rejoices in these experiences.

            I kindly ask you to leave the discussions and hope your ego allows you to do so. You have nothing to prove to any of us that hasn’t already been proven in every word you’ve written. Eloquent statements no matter how intellectually superior you make them sound, can cover up your obviously supercilious and faithless statements. Only One can cover them.

            Anyone else following along reading randy and i’s discussion I urge you to check for yourselves the truthfulness of any of our comments (if you haven’t figured it out already).

            A few passages just because…

            Luke 11:23-26
            Luke 11:13
            John 3:8
            Acts 2:38
            1 Corinthians 12, 13
            Ephesians 1:13-14
            1 John 2:22
            1 Corinthians 5:5, 11-13
            Romans 1:16-17, 20-22, 25, 28, 30-31

          • Randy Wanat

            Josephus never wrote anything about Jesus. It appears your standards of evidence need to be raised.

          • John Nicholoft

            Josephus, Antiquities 20.9.1 But the younger Ananus who, as we said, received the high priesthood, was of a bold disposition and exceptionally daring; he followed the party of the Sadducees, who are severe in judgment above all the Jews, as we have already shown. As therefore Ananus was of such a disposition, he thought he had now a good opportunity, as Festus was now dead, and Albinus was still on the road; so he assembled a council of judges, and brought before it the brother of Jesus the so-called Christ, whose name was James, together with some others, and having accused them as law-breakers, he delivered them over to be stoned.

          • Randy Wanat

            James is not Jesus. He was writing about James. And, all it refers to is Jesus being called the Christ, not actually BEING the Christ. In other words, what others said about him.

          • Emmanuel Cortes

            Studies have been performed on the human brain to determine if there is a difference between hallucinations and alledged spiritual experiences, or ecstasies. The results showed that the brain does in fact react differently to both. During a hallucination, a brain is shown to be experiencing pain, even if it’s a “pleasure” moment; there is also lack of awareness of one’s surroundings, along with what feels “real” during the hallucination, but afterwards the individual is aware that the event was exaggerated. In a spiritual ecstasy, however, one is well aware of one’s surroundings, and individuals have always reported feeling peace rather than pleasure. They also remain assured that it was completely normal.

          • Randy Wanat

            Yet, you can’t demonstrate the reality of an angel. It’s as demonstrably real as any fever dream imagery.

            People of other faiths see other figures in similar experiences. But, only your preferred version is true. Right. What a coincidence. And, they all say theirs is true, too.

          • Emmanuel Cortes

            Never said my preferred version is true. In 1531, an indigenous man from the fallen Aztec Empire had several visions of Tequatlazupe, the mother of the Aztec god Ometeotl. She had described herself as “the mother of the true God, for whom one lives.” The Aztecs described Ometeotl as “the true God for whom one lives”. Therfore, she was the mother of Ometeotl. This Ometeotl is described as having two natures, in one single entity. The Judeo-Christian God is described as having two natures, Father and Son, with the third nature being the encompassing nature uniting the two. One single Holy Spirit, uniting the Father and Son. Ometeotl was one divine Spirit, uniting two persons: Ometecuhtli and Omecihuatl. Today, this divine woman who identified as Tequatlazupe, mother of “the true God for whom one lives”, is known as the Virgin of Guadalupe, the Perpetual Virgin Mary, Mother of God.

            As Catholics, we don’t deny other’s visions completely. We do that only when the vision is in investigation, as God is not the only one who can appear in visions. The “gods” can do that too, and we Christians call those gods Angels and Demons.

            Another example? Lucifer attempted to topple God from His heavenly Throne, but Michael, who happened to be the smallest of all angels, intervened and toppled Lucifer and his followers from their place in God’s heavenly court. God rewards Michael’s loyalty by making him the Prince of the Celestial military, otherwise known as the nine Choirs of Angels. Sound familiar? Kronos “destroys” Ouranos, takes his seat as King of the Universe, only to find that Zeus, a puny upstart of his own blood, obliterates him in a bloody war, from which Zeus emerges victorious and is made head of the “gods”.

            Ouranos’ blood spills and mixes with water, from which love emerges. Jesus’ blood spills on the cross when a Roman soldier stabs Him with a spear, and that blood is mixed with water. Jesus’ Crucifixtion is the source of God’s mercy and Love for us, shown by His sacrificing His own blood and spirit (water representing spirit) for our own sake.

            Roman Catholics do not ignore the visions and beliefs of other cultures unless they are shown to be false. Greco-Roman Mythology is usually ignored because the events are very similar to Christian beliefs, but they are depicted with evil (Khaos, Nyx, Kronos, Tartarus, etc.) being supreme/more powerful than good. Those beings that are good are always shown with some flaws, such as Aphrodite’s lustful nature rather than true love. Ouranos is shown as fallen, but He never truly fell. Satan thought he could destroy God on the Cross, but that only furthered God’s plans. Again, whatever idiot “Christian” that told you or showed you that we ignore others completely is anything but a true Christian.

          • Emmanuel Cortes

            As to whether angels are demonstrably real, the debate is not as direct as you wish it to be. Science cannot and will never be capable of demonstrating the angelic spirits are real, simply because science can only examine physical parameters, and neither angels nor demons are bound by physical, material substance. However, God can and has been studied through physical parameters, because of His human form which we know as Jesus. Consecrated eucharists have been studied before, and it has been shown that despite they appear to the naked eye to be made of wheat, they are actually real human flesh and blood. Take the eucharistist miracle of Lanciano, for example, which occured in the 8th century. A consecrated eucharist was studied in 1970 and these were the findings:
            -The bread was actually real human flesh and the wine was real human blood.
            -The Flesh is made of cardiovascular tissue, and there are no traces of any sort of preservatives.
            -Blood type AB (Flesh and Blood).
            -Protein proportions in Blood are the same as recent blood samples.

            Another study was done in Israel, where scientists studied dried human blood that was brought in by an American man, who did not tell them it was actually consecrated wine used for Catholic Mass. The scientists found that the blood was still alive, and presented only 23 chromosomes. 22 of those chromosomes where human; the 24th chromosome could not be identified; it did not match any known organism on Earth (either from Domain Eukaryia, Archaea, or Bacteria). All the scientists could determine was that the 24th chromosome was not of human origin. Protein levels were intact. Everything was intact, as though the blood had just been pulled from a human body merely seconds ago.
            What I intend with all of this is to provide only one way of showing how God can be shown to possibly exist (not proven, merely shown possible). Logic can also be used, but only to a limited degree. Now, assuming that God is not real (which science shows is highly unlikely), there is then no such thing as angels. Assuming He is real, though, Roman Catholicism and Greek Orthodox Christianity would emerge victorious from a “battle of religions”. I say this because am aware that it has been done (in many chunks, since one individual cannot possibly debunk the thousands of existent religions alone). If we alanlyze religions today, we see that most religions are really just offshoots of a parent religion, and so if we narrow them down that way we can finish much sooner. Battle within their respective groups, and bring all victorious religions to the front against each other. You’ll find no more than a few hundred religions at the most will be in this next level of debate. If you were to just start comparing religions and finding similarities, I dare say you will find Roman/Greek Christianity will have more similarities with other religions than those religions with each other. Long story short, Roman/Greek Christianity emerge victorious alongside Judaisim. Why these three? Well, Roman Catholicism and Greek Orthodoxy are virtually the same religion, there are simply minor differences in the method of celebrating Mass and the issue with Papal Supremacy that get in the way, but in terms of theology, they are perfectly identical. Why Christianity and Judaism? Because if you were to examine the Old Testament Mosaic/Levitical Law and how they have been/ continue to be (at least by Christians) followed, you would find that they are again, the same thing. What I am implying here is that Christianity is actually Judaism under a different name, and with the continuation of the religion after the Messiah came. Judaism is more or less asleep as of right now, with their preisthood virtually gone, as well as temples and worship. All that’s left of Judaism right now is something identical to Protestant Christianity, the Synagogue being the equivalent of Protestant chruch service.
            At the end of this long and migraine-inducing rant, what I mean to say that angels can be shown real, but not by the scientific means you desire, but rather by showing first God is real (which at the moment you refuse to believe; I respect that decision), and then proceeding to demonstrate that Catholicism is the only flawless religion in existence. When bound to belief in Catholicism, inevitably one believes in angels.

          • TheUsualSmearGame

            What compels you to come on a Catholic site and argue with all of these people? Seems to me you are pissing in the ocean and trying to measure the change in volume.

          • Randy Wanat

            You seem to be implying that they are either incapable of defending their beliefs or holding indefensible beliefs. After all, if they are right and capable, they should be able to convince others with sound arguments based on demonstrable reality. I don’t think they require protection from intellectual challenge. I think more of others than you seem to, and I need not apologize for nor defend that. Thanks!

        • Clueless Gearhead

          Try to look at sin kind of like monetary debt: if you are incapable of paying all off, you may have the option of a friend being willing to pay the debts for you. That is what Jesus did on the Cross; he paid whatever eternal “debts” the human race could not pay, and left us with what we were are able to pay. Before Jesus, that payment was made using an approach similar to that of Socialist ideals: borrow some of the payment from those who had sufficient to help you with the “debt” (animal sacrifices)*. As for the human fatalities, God knew they weren’t going to change anyway, so decided to allow the demons behave much like the bank and repossess what they made the fatal mistake of not paying off.

          *Because animals do not really have souls anyway, it was not a very big deal to sacrifice an animal in place of a human for the repartations of one’s sin(s).

          • Randy Wanat

            Here’s where your apologetics fall apart: if God knew people weren’t going to repent, and he created the world and people with the knowledge that they would behave in such a way, then he created people with the explicit intent of killing them. He could have created humanity such that murdering people for the unforgivable crime of not being perfect followers of his rules (which HE created, and which HE decided were too harsh, necessitating a human sacrifice of himself to himself to appease himself), but he wanted a world where he would be “provoked” to annihilate men, women, children, babies, even animals (so indiscriminate for someone who could kill the first born sons of a kingdom). That is what he wanted. I can hear you sputtering about free will. Do you think there is free will in Heaven?

          • Emmanuel Cortes

            His sacrifice was not to appease Himself, but rather to appease us. You clearly misinterpret history, once again.

          • Randy Wanat

            I’ll let your fellow believers destroy that nonsense. Why should I have all the fun of tearing apart your personal version of Christian theology that bears no resemblance to any known version of Christianity? You made that stuff up. You know it, I know it, and everyone else knows it. Why you felt compelled to do so is far more interesting than shredding your story.

          • Emmanuel Cortes

            No no, I’ll let you enjoy the “pleasure” of believing that this is not established Christian theology. The moment you deny this and claim that I “made that stuff up”, you publicly display your near absolute ignorance of the Roman Catholic Faith. Therefore, if your intention is to continue to unknowingly look like a fool on this page, I highly recommend, for your own sake, to abandon this discussion. Over 5500 years of serious theological development and philosophical cannot be destroyed by religious skepticism that has only recently began to truly to unravel (obviously, atheism has existed since as long ago as the 6th century BCE, but it has yet to be shown that it seriously began to develop until perhaps the Enlightenment, and religion itself can be shown to be several hundreds of years old). You are not aware of this yet, but your “knowledge” of the Christian religion is far from soundly rooted in fact. So if it pleases you, then continue to mock the Holy Roman Catholic Church; you can have the satisfaction of doing so, and I can have the satisfaction of knowing that you inherently know very little about Catholicism.

          • Randy Wanat

            You’re being absurd. Sacrificial laws were devised by God to appease God. Nature didn’t like the smell of burning fat. Come on. Just quit lying. It’s insulting to me and it’s demeaning to you and it’s belittling everyone else here by supposing that they believe the nonsense you are proposing. While the stories are silly enough on their own, you’re making up your own version that is only barely rooted in the stories. I must stop entertaining your customized theology and your extension of it onto all of Roman Catholicism. You either don’t understand how far off the reservation you are or are a liar. I choose to be charitable and assume it’s the former, but I’m not about to teach you the Bible and RCC doctrine so you can argue intelligibly and comprehensibly. Go learn your religion.

          • Emmanuel Cortes

            Of course nature did not like the burning of fat, the burning of fat was not even the animal sacrifice itself. The animal sacrifice= appeasement of nature’s justice, through which God imposes justice. Burning of fat? Simply a physical sign of obedience not required any more, due to the value of God’s own blood shed for humanity, which overwhelmed the natural course of things and essentially voided our eternal debts. If other Roman Catholics do not believe this, it’s not because they choose to but simply because they have not been informed. You appear to be unaware that understanding of Scripture develops over time, while the teachings themselves do not. You seem to believe doctrinal understanding is concrete forever, and that is not the case. Scripture is very much an allegory, and many meanings of Scripture are still being discovered to this day. Because doctrinal interpretation is always changing, almost daily, it is obvious that not everyone will be able to keep up with all of these updates. What my Catholic brethren currently believe is by no means wrong, the knowledge is simply limited. A few hundred years ago, very few would have known about the things described in the article written above about angels.

            Now, suppose that I am wrong in my understanding of Levitical Law. If I am wrong, then I trust my God will in some way send someone to correct me of my errors. I will not hesitate in retracting my statement; when that time comes, I will most certainly stand corrected. Until then, I stand by my interpretation of Levitical law.

            You say that must go learn my religion? You are correct, and indeed I am still doing just that. That is another thing to keep in mind: no one ever, EVER, completely learns and understands the entirety of the Roman Catholic Christian religion in their mortal lifetime. it is simply humanly impossible to collect that much information in a lifetime, and even people who spend their whole mortal lives studying Roman Catholicism and developing its theology do not succeed in learning all of it. So should I learn my religion? Yes, I should, and I promise that I will continue to do so for the rest of my life. Because you seem to think it is a simplistic religion, which it really is not, you simply cannot authoritatively speak about the Mother Church’s doctrines and expect to be taken seriously in the eyes of the Roman Catholic Church. Feel free to ask any more questions concerning our Faith, and I will gladly answer them, but please do not come to us attempting to teach us our own religion, which is a topic you clearly do not currently understand. Thank you, and have a blessed day.

          • Emmanuel Cortes

            You seem to be unaware of the fact that doctrinal interpretation develops over time, that many things that were not known 4,000 years ago are now known today (for instance, the above article about angels). Therefore, it is not anyone’s fault that not all Catholics share the same interpretation of Levitical Law that I do; it is simply the reality that the development has not yet reached them. Keep in mind that this doctrinal development continues almost daily, so not everyone will be able to stay up-to-date. Now, suppose hypothetically that I am mistaken, as you say; in that case, I will not hesitate to back down from my position if God reveals to me in some way/shape/form that I am wrong. I will stand corrected, but until then I stand by my interpretation of the Holy Scriptures.

            As to whether I should learn my own religion, you are correct, and I am doing just that. You do not seem to understand that the Christian religion cannot be learned in it’s entirety in one lifetime; countless shcolars, theologians, philosophers, and the like have spent their entire lifetimes studying the Judeo-Christian religion, specifically Roman Catholicism/ Greek Orthodoxy. So please, if you have any further questions about Roman Catholicism and Judeo-Christianity as a whole, ask freely and I will gladly answer, but DO NOT come to us Roman Catholics attempting to authoritatively teach us OUR religion which you clearly and simply do not understand. Leave the teaching of Judeo-Christianity to those of us who actually know something about our religion, not those of you who are trying to pick at the Himalayas with a plastic spoon.

      • How does St. Michael cast satan and ALL evil spirits (fallen angels ) into hell?
        “by the (omni) power of God!

    • Randy Wanat

      There is no such thing as limited omnipotence, omniscience, or omnipresence. That’s a direct contradiction. Something can’t possibly be omnipotent AND have limited power. Something can’t be everywhere and not everywhere.

      • Jose Samilin

        Good question Randy. But considering the power of God, Angels are not of equal level, so I may say then, that they are omnipotent, omniscient and omnipresent, all in limited ways.

        • Randy Wanat

          No. Omnipotent necessarily means ALL-POWERFUL. Nothing can be all-powerful AND not all-powerful (limits mean not all-powerful).

          Omnipresence means being everywhere. If there are limits to where something is, it cannot be everywhere. So, it can’t be omnipresent AND not omnipresent.

          I suggest you google “law of non-contradiction.” In short, a thing cannot simultaneously be “A” and “not A.” You are making up logically impossible conditions.

          • Jose Samilin

            I agree anything reasonable as I find your point more reasonable. Thanks.

          • Randy Wanat

            It takes an honest person to admit error and correct themselves. Good on you.

          • Jose Samilin

            Thanks again Randy, God bless.

      • Clueless Gearhead

        You seem to misundestand what we Catholics mean by the Angels being “omnipotent, omniscient, and omnipresent, all in limited ways”. Obviously, this is a major grammatical error. However, one would have to read Scripture (or listen to, if one happens to be illiterate or lacking access to written Scripture) to understand what we mean by this. Basically, Jesus says that those obedient to Him (God) should be present with Him wherever He goes. Now, because God is omnipresent, and those obedient to Him are always with Him, both angels and humans, these beings are “omnipresent”, however keep in mind that because they are completely obedient, they only go if God permits it, therefore “limited omnipresence”. Omnipotence? Angels are technically “gods”, as stated in Scripture (do not recall exactly where, but it is definitely written canon), so they are pretty much capable of doing whatever the heck they want (“omnipotentce”), so long as God deems it propre to do so (therefore “limited”). Because they are the good guys, they will never mess up anyways. In terms of omniscience, this refers to the whole topic of “prayer”; because God knows and is aware of everything, and He’s an omnipotent god, He can and will allow angels to hear, see, and know about certain situations and things that He deems the angel(s) worthy of knowing about. Again, because this only occurs with God’s permission, it is “limited omniscience”. The same exact criteria apply to human saints that have elevated to that higher level of existence (this level of existence, NOT LOCATION, is called “Heaven”).

        • Randy Wanat

          Would you do anything to stop a child from being raped if you knew when and where it was happening and had the power to do so?

          • Emmanuel Cortes

            Would I? Most definintely. But if I were an angel, I would also be obligated to fulfill my Master’s will, and God may not want me to intervene.